Thursday, June 29, 2006
You *Maaa-aaad*
Bill O'Reilly tries to take Cam Rom and Dash to task for ruining the nation's yout'.
I have my own problems with gangsta-styled music but I think these boys have got a better head on their shoulders them many people would expect.
I love when Cam starts teasing Bill - "You maaad Bill"
I have my own problems with gangsta-styled music but I think these boys have got a better head on their shoulders them many people would expect.
I love when Cam starts teasing Bill - "You maaad Bill"
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"So you think the Terminator movies are just as damaging or more so than gangster rap."
I laughed my ASS off at that.
I laughed my ASS off at that.
I'm impressed that Dash was able to call out O'Reilly as biased without the show going completely out of control. That said, and maybe I'm just adding to the running joke, but how the hell do people take O'Reilly seriously?
A couple of points on the clip.
First, "Cam'ron" argues that he is simply a 'reporter' of what is going on in the ghetto. This doesn't seem to be the case for a number of reasons.
1) Rap makes all the shitty things that are present in the ghetto's sound 'cool'. This is a HUGE trope in American culture that somehow and for some reason the poor have a more authentic and 'real' experience of life and that we shoudl 'explore' the 'underside' of society. Just think of the Beat writers. The fact is, if Cam'ron was actually a reporter he wouldn't embellish the existence that these people lead in the ghettos. (I know people's response already, but art is a form of reporting etc, which is true but art still involves normative judgements...)
2) If he is a reporter he certainly isn't very professional. Dash and Cam were equally if not more so guilty of cutting off or speaking over the other speakers in the debate.
Second point has to do with Dash who keeps saying that his music somehow promotes entrepreneurship. I must admit I haven't heard any of their music, and I have no indication that it would be any different than other stuff, but it really isn't clear that singing about bitches and hoes, gangwarfare etc. promotes entreprenursihp. This ain't the junior achevers. If this is what he was promoting then why isn't it contained in the music itself? These comments are of course conditional upon there music resembeling past rap music that I have heard.
Of course the problem of inner city youth is much greater than the influences of gangsta rap music, which is still prenicious, and having more 'parent teacher' meetings as cam'ron suggested. (Which was just a clear slouching off of any recognition of responsibility on cam'ron's part. Certainly parents, siblings, cousins etc. have the greatest impact on children but they certainly don't have the only. Besides, that wasn't the subject of the discussion).
Now I don't know shit about O'Rielly or his show. Given that it was on an american tv station it was probably crap anyways. But the fact is, Mr. El-whatever, who is actually the only guy who deals with the problem on a daily basis barely had a chance to get a word in edgewise. This was hardly a real effort to address the actual problem.
DAn
First, "Cam'ron" argues that he is simply a 'reporter' of what is going on in the ghetto. This doesn't seem to be the case for a number of reasons.
1) Rap makes all the shitty things that are present in the ghetto's sound 'cool'. This is a HUGE trope in American culture that somehow and for some reason the poor have a more authentic and 'real' experience of life and that we shoudl 'explore' the 'underside' of society. Just think of the Beat writers. The fact is, if Cam'ron was actually a reporter he wouldn't embellish the existence that these people lead in the ghettos. (I know people's response already, but art is a form of reporting etc, which is true but art still involves normative judgements...)
2) If he is a reporter he certainly isn't very professional. Dash and Cam were equally if not more so guilty of cutting off or speaking over the other speakers in the debate.
Second point has to do with Dash who keeps saying that his music somehow promotes entrepreneurship. I must admit I haven't heard any of their music, and I have no indication that it would be any different than other stuff, but it really isn't clear that singing about bitches and hoes, gangwarfare etc. promotes entreprenursihp. This ain't the junior achevers. If this is what he was promoting then why isn't it contained in the music itself? These comments are of course conditional upon there music resembeling past rap music that I have heard.
Of course the problem of inner city youth is much greater than the influences of gangsta rap music, which is still prenicious, and having more 'parent teacher' meetings as cam'ron suggested. (Which was just a clear slouching off of any recognition of responsibility on cam'ron's part. Certainly parents, siblings, cousins etc. have the greatest impact on children but they certainly don't have the only. Besides, that wasn't the subject of the discussion).
Now I don't know shit about O'Rielly or his show. Given that it was on an american tv station it was probably crap anyways. But the fact is, Mr. El-whatever, who is actually the only guy who deals with the problem on a daily basis barely had a chance to get a word in edgewise. This was hardly a real effort to address the actual problem.
DAn
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: 7:34 p.m.
Dan, maybe you're not aware of Bill O'reilly's rep in the news business. Here it is in a nutshell: He's a right wing freak with his own TV show. He's an absolute nut. As Craig suggested, it is a bit of a running joke.
I totally agree with you about the absurdity of the whole discussion - there's not a shred of serious debate around this issue at all. Even if the opportunity could possibly have been there, these four shmucks are clearly not of the intellect to handle such questions.
It is damn funny though.
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I totally agree with you about the absurdity of the whole discussion - there's not a shred of serious debate around this issue at all. Even if the opportunity could possibly have been there, these four shmucks are clearly not of the intellect to handle such questions.
It is damn funny though.
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